Axes Study Group

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Axes Study Group

Postby Gareth » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:19 pm

I'm sure most of you have heard that along with our English longsword and sickle study groups. Well, Alex and I have branched out into Axes and other miscellaneous weapons. We're starting with Viking hand axe/shield and two-handed axes (also known as Danish axe). Studying and practicing may be slow for our group, seeing as there is no written records of viking fighting techniques, so we'll have to go off what is said in the Sagas and some secondary resources we've found on the web. However, we think that the basic strikes of the long sword and mace and the hooking techniques of polearms may transfer over well to this style of fighting. Finding proper wasters might be difficult; finding sparring axes that aren't LARP weapons will probably be even more so.

We've got a few sources and are starting to look at techniques and what gear to buy. Alex is breaking down a mock fight we found into simple drills and I'm trying to translate "Le Jeu de la Hache" (axe play) into plain English from a "period" English translation.

For anyone who's interested, here's the links we found:

A Hans Talhoffer manuscript
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6498917/Medieval-Combat-A-15th-C-Illustrated-Manual-of-Sword-Fighting-and-CloseQuarter-Combat-Hans-Talhoffer

La Jeu de la Hache
http://jfgilles.perso.sfr.fr/escrime/bibliotheque/jeu_de_la_hache/index.html (period French)
http://www.thearma.org/spotlight/NotesLEJEUDELAHACHE.htm (English translation)

Hurstwic, a re-enactment group specializing in the Viking era
http://www.hurstwic.org/

A selection of 23 Viking Sagas' passages that deal with fighting techniques
http://europeanhistory.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&zTi=1&sdn=europeanhistory&cdn=education&tm=17&f=21&tt=14&bt=1&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.thehaca.com/essays/vikingfight.htm
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Re: Axes Study Group

Postby Michael Chidester » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:28 pm

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Re: Axes Study Group

Postby Jason Taylor » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:00 pm

THanks for the input, Mike. We've got a lot of other study groups starting up, and any input can offer us, especially on manuals, is appreciated.

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Re: Axes Study Group

Postby Michael Chidester » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:26 pm

Let me know what you need. I've got a lot of resources that haven't gone live on Wiktenauer yet, and no set schedule on which they'll be uploaded.
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Re: Axes Study Group

Postby nathan f » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:34 am

hi i have been doing axe combat with viking axes for about 4 years or so now if you want any advice i would be glad to help.

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Re: Axes Study Group

Postby Gareth » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:01 am

Thank you Nathan and Mike. Alex and I appreciate the help.

Nathan, if you could post links to videos or other resources that you used or made, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Axes Study Group

Postby nathan f » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:46 pm

i just want to ask first what sort of axes are you using and are you sparring with these? and if its one handed im guessing you will be using a shield with it?
the jomsviking are a great group to contact they are dedicated to just combat and really are skillful and know their stuff.
if i know a little more about your aims i will be able to help more as there are many styles of axe fighting.
make sure you get good axes either way and a nice horn on your dane they double up as excellent spears if made well.
so just tell me what you want to do and i will help all i can. european reenactment circles vary much from american ones with many styles of combat and i know a few groups who work with med manuals etc so this will be an interesting project.

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Re: Axes Study Group

Postby Jason Taylor » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:18 am

Here's something I thought you guys might like to see:

http://www.amazon.com/Viking-Weapons-Co ... 589&sr=8-1

It looks like this guy is doing much the same thing as you guys are doing, and he's further down the road than you guys, so maybe it can help.

Christmas wish list, anyone?

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Re: Axes Study Group

Postby nathan f » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:22 am

im familiar with the guys work most of it is just adaptations of manuals into what might work some of is good some not so much. i could help much more if i knew the nature of how you will be training and what with as steel axes for full contact even blunt will kill even with a fencing mask on.

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Re: Axes Study Group

Postby Myles Cupp » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:05 am

Guys, check out this post from the Martial Technique subforum. I think it has relevant material to this study group:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=668&p=7905#p7905
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