Questions about specific scenarios [Longsword]

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Matthew Brown
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Re: Questions about specific scenarios [Longsword]

Postby Matthew Brown » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:37 pm

The krumphau on the blade easily sets up for either stepping into grappling range or into a schielhau after circling your sword back over.
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Re: Questions about specific scenarios [Longsword]

Postby Danny P » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:48 pm

Scenario 2: Wrench with the crossguard and snap over with the false edge cut.

Scenario 1: Your slice to the arms is the correct response, however in slow sparring try keeping your bind high, go over outside his blade so you're in a high hanging with his blade below yours in the V of your cross and blade, and thrust to the lower opening from this high position; generally he'll try to push higher to parry, but in fact this works to your advantage as you simply lift your hands in the thrust; a little like some of the techniques from 4:40 onward here: https://youtu.be/fsNmzqsYUmg?t=278

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Re: Questions about specific scenarios [Longsword]

Postby Tea Kew » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:18 am

For your first question, it's directly answered:

Ringeck's gloss, trans. Trosclair wrote:[18] Again a play from the wrath-cut

29 Be strong against
And thrust. If he sees it, take it down


Gloss. Note, this is when you cleave-in with the wrath-cut (as stands done before next to this): if he parries it, and with that remains strongly upon the sword, so again be strong against him upon the sword, and drive up with the strong of your sword into the weak of his sword, and wind your hilt forward in front of your head upon the sword, and so thrust him high to the face (as stands pictured here).

[19] Again a play from the wrath-cut

When you thrust-in high with the winding (as stands pictured before), if he then goes up with the hands and parries the high thrust with the hilt, so also remain standing in the winding and set the point down between his arms and the chest (as stands pictured here below).


The same basic advice also shows up in the schaitelhaw plays:

Ringeck's gloss, trans. Trosclair wrote:[55] Again a play from the parter

64 With its turn
The chest is quickly threatened.


Gloss. Note, this is when you strike-in and hang the point to the face with the parter: if he then shoves the point firmly upward with his hilt in the parrying of the parter, invert your sword with the hilt high in front of your head (such that the thumb comes below), and set the point under his hands upon his chest (as stands pictured since).


In both cases, the action is simply to disengage past his hilt and thrust down with a high blade at the face/chest/throat. By doing so with the blade high, you can prevent his arms from lowering to cover or strike. The one issue that many people run into is that they try this too early, when the opponent's hilt is still quite low - it's important that their hilt is well above their head. An easy way to ensure this is to first thrust downwards, which will hang over their hilt and get them in the face unless they move their hands very high.

The other case is simply a normal bind situation, using the five words should sort you out just fine. One solution is to move forward, allowing your blade to come to roughly schrankhut and hold their blade to your side, and then cut into the head or close to wrestling. Another is to say that hangetort is already roughly schrankhut, and krump over to control their blade, then wind or thrust. However, the easy core Liechtenauer solution is to not bother with hangetort.


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